SPEAKER_01 0:04

That wasn't the plan.

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Welcome to that wasn't the plan. Well, hello, Courtney Holland. Hello, Emily White. How are you? Looking mad per the huge.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

Hey, well, thanks. I actually showered and did my hair. Um I could tell. I could tell. Well, last week's episode was real rough for me. Um gosh. My hair looks like I had squirrels living in it. I love that. Which is that's real. Sometimes on Sunday mornings it's hard to get going. And that was not the plan for me to look like that. But hey, every now and then you just gotta say fuck it and go with go with what you've got in the moment and get through it. So that's meet yourself where you are. Yes, exactly that.

SPEAKER_00 1:01

Um, and uh I am certainly doing a lot of that these days because I'm back to gluing my tooth into my face. Oh, is it the same one? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So, you know, I've been using the freaking gorilla glue, which I was told to use by my dentist.

unknown 1:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:20

I don't think he had intended for that to be going on as long as it is, but this is just kind of how it's going. So it's like this side of my mouth will swell up, um, my lips. I think we've talked about this where it's like clearly I'm having like a it's like an allergic reaction. Yeah. For sure. Well, just a reaction to a toxin that I'm putting in my mouth and swallowing and getting all over my tongue and then getting on my other teeth. And Courtney, that can't be good for you.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

I know. I was just gonna say, it sometimes baffles me that we can put people into space and yet we can't figure out some of these little fucking things like how to keep a false tooth glued permanently.

SPEAKER_00 2:04

Well, they've got it figured out. It just costs like $200 billion to me. Um so, but like when I think of people getting put in space and what and we haven't figured out a better contraception for males, we can't figure out something, but no, no, no, please. It's out there. Men just don't want to do it. They don't want to do it. And also, but God bless them, they can go to any gas station and find a pill that will give them an erection. So that is covered. We're covered in that that. I digress though. I couldn't get all worked up about that because that's you're telling me the only thing is to trust a teenage kid with a condom. Anyways. Oof, excuse me. I got all my hawkles went up. I know. I get really, I get really worked up about that. It's charming. But yeah, so I'm getting, I'm essentially poisoning myself with um gorilla glue. And it sent me on a uh spiral where you kind of like start to do, you start looking up, you know, 3 a.m. You start looking up random shit. And also you had mentioned you've got that beautiful mug that you were given to by a front by a friend. And at the bottom of the mug, it says, Do I smell almonds or does this smell like almonds? Uh-huh. And I didn't know that the cyanide, yeah, it smells like almonds. So how about them apples? So anyway, that that's kind of the spiral down the drain I went at 3 a.m. And I so I started looking up all sorts of fascinating things. Um number one, I sometimes I'll Google just like what state has the most suicides, like stuff like that. Random, but um, and I it's Wisconsin, by the way. Uh nope. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_01 3:45

They've got all the cheese. How can you be depressed on cheese?

SPEAKER_00 3:48

It's one of the Dakotas. Now that I believe. Yeah. Um but so I looked up m what people die of the most, what poison? Can you guess? Try and guess. Ammonia bleach mix. Not even close. Nowhere near it, no.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

A poison. Okay, what is it? Fentanyl.

SPEAKER_00 4:09

Opioids.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

Oh god, yeah. Well, yeah, okay, that makes sense. Right? Yeah, yeah. So I was like, oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:16

I was like, yeah, that's true, but what else? Like, besides that, like, what's something that would really surprise me, like toxin-wise, and that's botulism. It's got a fancier name. Yeah. The good old botulism. That and I was also curious about like the cyanide found out information about strychnine. Remember strychnine? I haven't used that word in a little bit of time.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

I've got some out in the garage for my rats. Strychnine. I don't know. Do they sell strychnine anymore? Because I know they used to. It was like the rat poison probably when we were growing up, it was probably under the kitchen sink, and mom was like your hands out of that. Yeah, yeah. Um like it looks like no, no, no. Just wash her mouth out with soap.

SPEAKER_00 5:03

Um, yeah. It's a really uh yeah. I well, and like strychnine, there's three of them. There's cyanide, strychnine, and there's one other one that I'm trying to think of. And anthrax, it's one we know. Okay. According to Buddhism, the three poisons are greed, hatred, and delusion. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:26

That's what I greed, hatred, and delusion. Yeah, those are the poisons. I'm very guilty of uh the third one for sure. I'm delusional most of my same sister.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

God bless. But I um I get greedy around food. Well, oh yeah, me too, for sure. Um cyanide. Oh, wait, here it is. Arsenic. Arsenic. Arsenic. So it's cyanide, arsenic, and strychnine. But from what I s have seen, it they're kind of outdated because there's been such like great for forensic uh people aren't murdering each other with cyanide, strychnine, or arsenic. As though we thought, because recently, this is fascinating. Yeah. So recently, the I was like, what is the most recent cyanide murder? Like, let's find out. So Surat rang with a porn accused of targeting 14 friends and acquaintances for financial gain and theft of value. So he poisoned 14 people. Did they die? Did they die? They did. And so holy shit. When was this? Yeah. This was in 2024. It was oh my god. Yeah, expanding from 2015 to 2023. And then also a Colorado dentist, Emily. Hope you didn't go to Dr. Craig. He was convicted for the March 2023 cyanide and arsenic poisoning murder of his wife, Angela Craig. He was poisoning her protein shakes. Like slowly. Yeah. So she was probably getting violently ill. Yeah. Yeah, he laced her protein shakes with uh cyanide and tetrahydrosine in March of 2023. And they convicted him of first degree murder and sentenced him to life without pro. So it's still working out there, I guess. Smells smell almonds to man.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

Well, yeah, but I know a lot of women back in the day, like like they, you know, that couldn't get out of marriages, like divorce wasn't an option. It wasn't a thing. And I'm talking like 200 years plus from like then till now and probably before then. Women would poison their husbands because they were like, I don't want to be married to this asshole, but there was no way out. So they were trapped. And there was no toxicology ports back then.

SPEAKER_02 7:54

Right.

SPEAKER_00 7:55

So God, I think about that sometimes, like, God, you can get away with anything back in those days, but seriously. The witch made me do it. Yeah, exactly. And the witch would be like, then they'd burn them at the stake. We've been there. And they were of course all of which those witches were between the ages of 40 and 60. And those are the ages. I'm not I'm not a bitch. I just don't fucking give a shit. And I'm not trying to make it easy for you, sir. There's like some sort of um that went dark quick. There's a uh like you know, a TikTok reel or something where this woman passes a man and she doesn't smile at him and he's like, Oh, that bitch. And so slowly, and she's like, I'm not a bitch, I'm just in my forties. And it's like you just stop giving a shit, like you stop being overly apologetic. And I'm like, I I'm embracing my forties. Yeah, I am. I'm still kind, I'm still very kind, but I am not, I feel less need to please, which is a relief.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

Yeah, we were raised to be way too polite, and I say, fuck that. Like there's no there's no reason for that anymore. You don't have to be polite to everybody.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

No. And that there's that wonderful podcast. I'm sure you've listened to it at some point, if not always, uh Crime Junkies, where they say, don't be polite to someone that is weird. You do not need to be they word it in a way better way, like where it's like, make a scene, you know, to a man that if he's making you uncomfortable, you don't have to be nice to him. You don't have to because that's a lot of people. I didn't want to make him feel bad, but he was making me really uncomfortable. Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

I so I cower in and I just try and I stay small in order to let him do his thing. No, go crazy.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Yeah, be a bitch. Be weird. It says be weird. It says it's I think that's what it is. It's like be weird. Make that shit weird. Make it weird. I can speak it to which I can remember uh when I was living in Koreatown in Los Angeles, I would occasionally have to park like blocks and blocks and blocks away. And I would be getting home at like two because I was working at post-production, and um, I would put on a man's hoodie and I would walk down the middle of the street and just be that's smart with my hood up, right? Yeah, I've seen that on TikTok too, where people will start acting like it's sad, but like they're having a fentanyl overdose, like where they're just standing and they bend over. You know, it's but like it works. It works.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

Crazies don't want to fuck with crazies. No, no, no, no. You the moment you start like shouting, screaming, and flailing your people are gonna like walk across the street and you're like, all right, I just got home safely now. For real.

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Yeah, yeah. Don't mind me. Well, and it was kind of fun because it was like an acting challenge. And I'm like, no one's gonna come after me walking in the middle of the street like holla, you know. Yeah so um and I made sure my boobs were fully hidden because God forbid they catch on anyway. Um but else back to the poisons, yeah. So then in regards to botulism, this is pretty interesting. The most notable botulism poisonings, I guess this will be our awards. So an honorable mention. We have Loch Marie, Scotland. In 1922, eight people died after eating wild duck paste sandwiches packed for a hotel fishing trip. So be careful, you guys, when you're packing your duck paste. You want to make sure to abide by all of the rules. Our um our in-house chef Emily knows all the rules about food preparation and and care. Um what is the what are the rules?

SPEAKER_01 11:45

I forget. Very important. Um, so it's been a while, but what I can remember is the rule of like 40 or something around those lines. It's the rule of four, I think it is, where if you have something hot or cold, if it's hot, it's only allowed to be out for four hours above like a certain degree. And if it's cold, it can only be like out for four hours before it goes bad. So another thing, and it so another thing is when you're cooking like a big batch of say potato salad or rice, now potato salad is like notorious, and I think it might be botulism. It's on this, yeah. Okay, so what a lot of people do and how it gets the botulism is they take the hot potatoes, mix everything in, and then immediately stick it in the refrigerator. You have to let the potatoes cool down first. You have to let everything cool down before you mix it, before you stick it in your refrigerator. So, and the best and easiest way to do that is to get it flat so it's got more surface area so it can even get the heat off. Yeah. So whenever you're cooking like a big batch of stuff, um, it could be soup even, leave it on the stove, keep stirring it to after the heat's off, just to let the heat get off of it before you store it. Because if it cools down too quickly, that is the best breeding ground for bacteria. It loves that kind of like warmish and it stays warm because if you put something hot and something cold, it's gonna take a lot longer to fully cool down, and that's where the bacteria grows.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

You've got knowledge. And I've been making big batches of soup. I've been making big bat so but I generally just let it cool. I generally let it cool. Yeah, maybe not fully, but I feel like natural, like somehow that's stuck in me.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

So I was let it cool on like room temp before you stick it in a fridge. Yeah. And that I feel like I've got the freezer. But yeah, potato salads, uh that's one that I rarely ever eat because I know that people unless it's like a trusted friend or somebody, but uh that shit can kill you.

unknown 13:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

That's wild, and that's funny because it's so the the duck paste, obviously. Uh the first recognized botulism outbreak in the United Kingdom, and it established how deadly commercial or home preserved meat pastes could be. So just be careful, folks, when you're out there eating meat paste. I know we love a good meat paste. Actually, it every Christmas I give my father a tube of anchovy paste. He loves anchovies on his pizza, and he's the only one that loves that. So he always has a nice thing of anchovy paste.

SPEAKER_01 14:30

Well, that's nice of you.

SPEAKER_00 14:32

I'm really nice. Um so the speaking of the potato salad, we had um, golly, in New Mexico, 1978, not that long ago, 34 people contracted botulism at a country club banquet in Clovis, Clovis, New Mexico, from contaminated potato or three bean salad, resulting only in two deaths. So, I mean, still awful, but that was two. So then we have in California, this is 2017, yo. 2017, nine people were hospitalized and one person did die after consuming tainted nacho cheese from a gas station. I mean, you're gonna get sick from that anyway. Like, I can't even I it's never crossed my mind to eat any sort of cheese from a gas station. Um, but yeah, nacho cheese. I know so many dudes though that do. I'm sure my husband does. But yeah, be careful around that nacho cheese.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

The best way to avoid that is to buy a bag of just regular corn chips and a squeeze tube of easy cheese. And then you've got the the flavor and stuff, but you're not gonna get it. Look at this.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Thank you, in-house chef Emily.

SPEAKER_01 15:45

Yeah. That's his heard chef.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

Who doesn't love a can of each cheese? I d I don't. I bought some to pig out on it, and I was like, it just same now as it did when I was a kid when we were younger, man.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

I fucking love that shit.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

Yeah, you know what else doesn't taste good? I don't even think it tasted good back then is Chef Boyardee. You remember that motherfucker? Sure do. I can tell you. We grew up on spaghettios. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Yeah, which is like those like raviolis. Yeah, yeah. Chef's dog food shoved in there.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Chef boyard diarrhea, literally. Um so yeah, that is um that was California. Again, that was Walnut Grove gas station, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

Walnut Grove upscale or hoity-toity area of California. Yeah. And then is that different from Walnut Creek? Oh, maybe it is. I think I'm confusing that with Walnut Creek.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

And like Benisha. That's really close to San Francisco, but this doesn't say Northern California. Anyway, then maybe not. Then maybe not. Um, so we have another. This is in the teens, guys. We're getting up there. It's uh 2015 in Ohio. This is heartbreaking. It was a church potluck, which I go to AA potlucks all the time and uh knock on wood, I and everybody makes their own food, and we're all fucking alcoholics, so it's like we do the best we can. But, you know, when you cut the sauce, then you're kind of like, oh, I can let myself I've never made potato salad for an AA thing. Have I? Not definitely not potato salad. Anyhow, church potluck in Tip City, Ohio, 29 cases and one death linked to improperly canned potato salad used in foil-wrapped foil trays. So don't do that.

SPEAKER_01 17:42

Wait, canned potato salad?

SPEAKER_00 17:44

That's what it says. Canned, improperly canned potato salad.

unknown 17:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:51

Canned fucking potato salad. That's where you went wrong.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Ohioans. My dad, I remember in college, he gave me like a jar can full of homemade soup that he had made because I used to go down on weekends and do laundry and you know, steal food.

unknown 18:10

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

And then I came up and I had that soup. Um, and I remember that night I like was laying flat in bed, shot right up, projectile vomiting, and it's because he didn't he the yeah. I tried to kill you. Freeze it properly or something, but my body was rejecting that whatever. It's so funny.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

I've had that same experience where I'm laying in bed and I sit up and projectile vomit. Yeah. But I was having uh withdrawal from alcoholism and I was in my sister's house. So have you ever barfed so violently in a room and then had to clean it up to where no one would know that it happened? It was hard. It was not easy.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

So love that have you ever barfed on a hardwood floor and gotten the splatter back up in your face?

SPEAKER_00 18:56

That's fuck yeah. Not on the hardwood floor, but into a lot of toilets. Get the in your eyes. Yeah. Adios mío. I hope you guys are still listening. I would, I would have, I would have left this shit a long time ago. No, no, I wouldn't have because this is interesting. And the best part is yet to come. Ooh, yeah. So yeah. So um, and then there, and then this one, I don't know why that's my favorite. It's maybe because the name of the restaurant is Trini and Carmen's Mexican restaurant. I just, hi, Trini and Carmen. So 59 people, this is in 1977, Michigan. 59 people fell ill at Trini and Carmen's Mexican restaurant after eating homemade hot sauce made with improperly home-canned jalapeno peppers. And it stands as the largest U.S. foodborne botulism outbreak ever. Did they all die? No. One, uh, did it say ill, fell ill. 59 people fell ill. Trini and Carmen, bless their fucking hearts, they're like they were like, we're just making homemade hot sauce. Yeah, we just had our our home canned jalapeno peppers, which is like the traditional very, what is the word? God, I've turned into my mom full on, full stop. Um authentico. That's the word I was looking for. Authentic. So you because like we can our own jalapenos, like, my god, very alphabetical. Well, that's the other thing.

SPEAKER_01 20:17

Like, canning is such a great way to preserve food, but you have to do it properly. It can be very dangerous. And when you're either taking a home can off the shelf, you have to look for if it's bubbled at the top. Oh. Because if it that does, that means it's bad. Or if you're like a can from the store or something, if there's a dent in it, or if it's feels like it's bubbled, don't use it. Just throw it away.

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Really? See, I buy dented cans all the time because I'm like, who cares?

SPEAKER_01 20:49

I didn't know that. I think for the most part, it's okay. For some reason, like that just stands at f out from memory. That's like if it's dented or if it's bulging, don't use it. Oh yeah, bulging it's gone bad.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

Definitely, yeah. That and you know how to test an egg if it's gone bad, don't you? Uh-uh. Really? Oh, you um oh my gosh, it's it's so great because a lot of people around here ever since I've been in Virginia, people will have farm eggs and give you farm eggs. And sometimes they're so overwrought, like they've got so much, you don't really know how long. So you just put an egg in a glass of water, and if it f floats to the top, it's bad. If it sits up straight, it's um still good. And if it's floating in between, it's still good. But if it floats up at all, that just means it's released sulfur, so it's more buoyant. Oh. How about them apples? But yeah, that's been and I've taught that to the kids here. They didn't know how because they would have these eggs and they're like, Are they still good? I was like, This is the true fireway to always know. You put it in a glass of water. If it floats, it's bad. If it doesn't, it's good. Period. Good period. Yeah. Love it. So I love this has been really fun looking through the poison stuff. But what really I always end up going to animals. So I was so curious because, you know, I have that friend um who went to do this experimental um with Colorado uh toads. It's like a red Colorado red toad where they uh use the venom or the tox they but to like they lick 'em. Um so it just got me thinking. And so I have the first place awards to give out to we're gonna start with plant up the first number one poisonous plant. You want us to take a guess? Poisonous plants.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Um it's deadly. Deadly plants. I don't know if you would know this one.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

Okay, then it hit me. So that was a fun game. I'm like, you're not gonna know it. It's called the rosary pea. The rosary pea. Um and it it looks like dried up mistletoe. In my opinion, it's got a really red, red, vibrant red um berry on it. It's native to tropical Asia, but also South Florida. So if you're in South Florida, don't eat the red berries that look like mistletoe, dried up mistletoe, because the leaves are like, they don't look green. Okay. So the number one, so we've got two um the number one poisonous land animal. Do you want to take a guess? Land animal.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

I'm gonna have to go with the brown recluse spider?

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Oh no. But that's a good one. I don't know if the spider would be considered an animal. Would it?

SPEAKER_01 23:56

I don't I don't know. I think so. I mean it's part of the animal kingdom, right? It really is. Animal, animal, animal. And it's not a spider. Anywhere is that venomous. Animal anywhere. Poisonous.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

Animal. Anywhere. Yeah, poisonous. Anywhere. Not venomous.

SPEAKER_01 24:14

Gosh, I feel like I know this.

SPEAKER_00 24:17

Um it's a golden dart frog. Oh yeah, okay. Those yeah, the they're yellow, they're precious. And then they used them to they would take the toxin and put it on the darts and you know, shoot. Okay, right. Okay. How so and who continue.

SPEAKER_01 24:34

How do you do they bite or how do you get or is it just touching? You just touch them. Oh, okay. Don't touch. Don't no touchy. He needs a t-shirt that says, Don't touch.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

Yeah, get your hands off me. You perfect. Um that's the t-shirt I'm gonna make. Um, but it's interesting because I remember as a kid say them telling us, you know, animals, especially reptiles, anything poisonous, generally the coloring will tell you don't touch them. The louder, the more vibrant, the more it's like, don't fuck with this, which is kind. But then all of us are like, it's so pretty, I want to hold it and take a picture. And right like my influencers. Yeah. Well, like our friend Deanny, the entomologist, who, God bless her, picked up a baby copper head off a walking path, kissed it, took a picture with it, it bit her twice, and now her arm is severely fucked up for the rest of her life. Like she has like a major scar. So, but that's that's I've always remembered that the more vibrant and like attention getting, the more it's like, don't fuck with it. Don't.

unknown 25:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

So don't rule up with those dark.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

Like, just don't fuck with any wild animals. And don't. I read something recently because we had a guest on a few episodes ago, or our first episode of season two, King of Phillips, who's kind of like a shark expert. Goddess. And she was like, Sharks are not your friends, do not approach them. Just a couple days ago, I was reading something, and it was like the number, most number of shark attacks this year is already at 71, which is really, really high. And it's because all these motherfuckers are out there trying to take photos with sharks in the water. They think they want to be an influencer, they think they want to get the shot, and they're getting bit. These come on, just leave the animals alone. View from afar, view from your TV, like just leave them alone.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

It's terrible.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

They don't want to be your friend. None of them do. You know, don't you make your pets. Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

That's yeah. I really struggle with people like like I couldn't watch the Tiger King because of that. Like I just didn't want to. And I know some of the stories of the animals, they had to be rehabilitated, yada yada yada. But still there are, yeah. I can't. I can't even. I can't even. So that was the most um poisonous animal or the most poisonous plant. So the awards go to golden dart frog and the rosary pea. The number one venomous an animal, um, land animal. Can you I'm not gonna make you guess. It's the inland Taipan. And I love this. This is a snake. And uh it holds the record for the most toxic venom per drop among snakes. So per drop, I think one bite has enough neurotoxic venom to kill up to a hundred adult humans. Holy shit. Which is like Where do you find the snake? Uh it's a great question. And um, I think it's in Thailand. Okay. And um but this is a Thailand, don't yeah. But though it is a shy snake, it's shy and it rarely bites people. It's like, I'm so poisonous, but just leave me alone. I'm not gonna, yeah, you know, I don't want to hurt you. That is not my intention. I don't want to hurt you.

SPEAKER_01 28:12

Um but it can't the case with most animals. They don't want to hurt us, but when we approach them, they're like, Back up.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

I will hurt you.

SPEAKER_00 28:20

Leave me alone though. Because it the name is Taipan, I was like, it's from Thailand. Uh Australia and Papua New Guinea. Okay. So the snakes are generally found in Australia, Papua New Guinea, not Thailand, just because their name is Taipan. Yeah, I was so off. Thailand, it sounds similar. They are not very flashy snakes. They uh they've got an interesting pattern, but they're the color, they're not colorful. Um, but again, they're shy. So they that's probably like part of their defense mechanism, I suppose. They're real pretty. They almost just look like a black snake, so carefie. Be very careful. All right, so the number one venomous sea animal. I feel like you can get this one.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

I'm gonna go with venomous sea animal, uh, the boxed jellyfish. Girl, you got it.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Girl, you got it. Yeah. This bitch, box jellyfish, considered by many to have the deadliest and fastest acting venom, it tentacles carry millions of stinging cells that cause cardiovascular collapse and death within minutes.

SPEAKER_01 29:32

Yeah. Fun. That's a real fun feeling death. You start stinging and then your heart goes and you can't breathe in the water.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

Oh my God. But I mean, if you're gonna go, might as well go in the water.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Like, you know, it's strange. I was on my walk this morning and I was thinking about that because somebody had mentioned, oh, the book I was listening to where they were talking about like an anaconda will grab you. Like the love squeeze. It's like being held by your lover, and at first it's a squeeze, and then one of the last things you ever hear are your bones breaking before it shatters all your veins in your body, and you basically explode and your eyes can pop out. And I was thinking, I'm like, well, that's one way to fucking die. I'm like, what are other horrific ways to die? Getting set on fire, this or that. And then I was like, drowning, like bringing us back to being in the ocean. That would also be awful. I just want to go peaceful in my sleep. Yeah. Sorry, like I that just got real dark, but these are the things that my mind where I go.

SPEAKER_00 30:37

Well, and I think that regardless of how you die, how you're dying, your body releases those endorphins and the serotonin so that you start to relax and pass. Because all the murder podcasts and this horrible stories, I always imagine that like when you are dying, there your body is able to help make it less awful. And that is knock on what this is no one, no scientist has talked to me. This is just kind of how I am able to listen to these horrible stories where I'm like, okay, their body will take care of them in the in the midst of the pain and the agony and the fear and the dread and the awfulness, like your body will help calm you so that you are able to um let go. That I hope so. I'll report back after I die. I'll let you know.

SPEAKER_01 31:30

Will you? I was also reading this past week about like cougars and so cougars are mountain lions. They're lions, they're smaller, they're slightly smaller than uh the African lions, but they're everywhere here in the western United States. And I don't know if you have Maud East, you probably do though. I think we do, yeah. But they were saying uh the jaw bite of a cougar can crush a an adult human skull.

unknown 31:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Like just the force of it. And it was saying cougars, they're very silent the way they stalk, and they do stalk humans. Like it's high when you go, you have to be very careful. But they were saying they usually go for the neck, and so once they get you, they will crush your windpipe, and that's how and then they'll drag you off to either their meat cache somewhere or their den or whatever they're doing. Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 32:23

I was like, do I ever want to leave the house again?

unknown 32:27

Right?

SPEAKER_00 32:28

Holy shit. I can remember hiking in uh Griffith Park and uh Runyon Canyon, and at the time my boyfriend and I we kind of joked that they don't have actual like cougar attacks. And then we were watching Six Feet Under, and someone's hiking on Six Feet Under, and the way the gal dies is a cougar or the guy.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

Well, it's true. Uh there were at least three or four uh deaths in Griffith Park when I lived out there from cougars attacking hikers. Yeah. Wow. Usually, usually solo hikers, but one time it was two people in the country. So yeah, they're out there, you gotta be careful. Um You really do. Gracious. Yeah. I mean, it's easier on a crowded beautiful morning when there's lots of people out there. But if it's a quiet morning, if it's a Tuesday and the weather's not great or something, just to kind of be on alert. Be aware. Yeah. If nobody's out there, King's just you.

SPEAKER_00 33:20

When Kinga was talking about when like a predator is present and you feel it, like you talked about that too. Oh gosh. So spooky. I actually had that uh encounter very recently. I went into our, we've got a big backyard, um, and it backs up into someone else's backyard, and we're right next door. Like we're in a neighborhood, but the yards are pretty big. And I was outside, I took the dogs out. It's very dark. I walked out into the middle of the yard, they're scurrying about. And then as my eyes started to adjust, I see that I am not far from a giant buck with the horns in our yard. And I'm like, hello, sir. So I just backed up and I mean, I don't, I haven't heard of them being, I know deer can be aggressive. I haven't heard of them being aggressive in our neighborhood, but they're everywhere. Like you'll see them, and everybody stops and looks, and like, you know, I love it. And I do too. There's a hurt, there's definitely two moms, and each of them have two babies that I've seen quite a bit. So we still we still have the wildlife here in Cape Springs. It's just glorious. Oh glorious. I love those little baby deers. Oh my god, they're all so cute. Yeah. And my parents had uh and it happened twice, and then one time while I was there, um, you know, mommy, mama deers will park their babies somewhere, and they'll just when they're super young, and they can go off and and and hunt and eat, and then they'll come back. So my some mom had dropped their baby deer off in my parents' lawn, and the deer, the baby was like literally flat in the grass. Like you wouldn't have ever seen her. So precious. Yeah. And then my mom is she is terrified the mowers are gonna come and run over it. She is so she's alerting her friends in the neighborhood that there is a baby deer. They're drop the mamas are dropping them off again. They're in the yard.

SPEAKER_01 35:16

So um the mamas are like, Sandy, I gotta go grocery shopping. Can you can you watch the kids for a minute?

SPEAKER_00 35:22

Sandy, I gotta go to Harris Tita. Can you please watch my babe? Thanks, Sandy. My mom's like, aye, aye. She loves a good baby animal. Oh, so it doesn't. Okay, right? Talking of all the poisons, I was thinking uh food poisoning. Now, in my life, I have claimed food poisoning many times when I was hungover or currently drunk. Um, so I'd call into work, I must be food poisoning, I'd, or migraines. I also would, I was like, oh my God, I've got a migraine coming on. I've never had a fucking migraine. What a piece of shit. Um, but so the first and only time I've had food poisoning, um, it was so violent that I was like, serves me right. I should know what food poisoning actually feels like because I used it as an excuse so many times while I was out there being a drunk. So my brother and I, and I think I've told you this, we were driving from Virginia to San Francisco, and we had stopped in Colorado to see some friends, and we'd gone out to a really nice restaurant, and one of the guys ordered oysters, and and he shared it with me and another guy. So there's four of us. My brother did not have any. Me and these other two dudes both had one. And next day, fine, and we start driving, and we are in Yuma. I remember I woke up in the midst of a panic attack. Like I, and I hadn't had a panic attack in years, and it felt like I was violently hung over. Like it was really bizarre, like the anxiety, and I couldn't tell. I'm like, something is wrong. I can't feel, I can't figure out what doesn't feel good. And it's always nausea. If I can't figure out what doesn't feel good, I'm nauseous. I don't know, I it I don't recognize that it's nausea. I was so sick, Emily. Like I was, I unleashed on every bathroom from there to San Francisco. Oh God. How often were you pulling over? Uh, I think within the first hour, we pulled over quite a few times, and he kept saying, Let's just stop and stay at a hotel and you can just be. And I was like, No, because he we were on a time crunch. I was flying out of San Francisco and I wanted to help him move in. The whole reason I was going with him to San Francisco was though that he didn't have to move somewhere alone because I had to do it so many times. Like, it's honestly like I'm almost doing it for myself when I help other people move. I love it. It's my favorite thing to do. Um, and I was like, no, we gotta go. This would be the only time I would say in my life that I really put my big girl pants on. And I was like, I am gonna fucking tough through this bullshit and get this boy to San Francisco so I can move him in and then I'll catch my flight back to Vernia. Oh my God, Emily. It was, I remember I was holding on to the dashboard and holding on to my seat because I couldn't lean back and I was riding like that. Like everything was making me nauseous. It was and then I got my period.

SPEAKER_01 38:19

So it was fun. It sounds like it was one time in your life when you should have put like adult diapers on and just one hundred, just let it let it loose.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

Um, well, and honestly, like my first instinct is that I'm being a wuss when I'm sick or when I don't feel well, because I usually am. And I'm so grateful that the other two dudes, both one of them like went on a ski trip and he was he thought he was dying, and then another kid had to call out of work. Like, so everybody got sick except for Matt.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

Um and that'll tell you, don't eat oysters from a landlocked state, like precisely, unless it's a really nice restaurant and you're and it seemed nice-ish, but uh I mean it seemed nice, but who knows? I'm you know I'm still, even though I live here in Seattle and we've got oysters aplenty everywhere, I'm still wary where I will eat an oyster. Like it has to be a proper, reputable oyster place or really nice like seafood restaurant if it's just like the place down the street and they're like, we've got oysters today. Fuck no. Uh-uh. Yeah, not doing it.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Well, I and I like oysters, but they don't I mostly like the horseradish and the cocktail sauce. Like, that's usually what I enjoy about oysters. So my go-to is shrimp, and shrimp will kill me because I love it so much and I'll overeat that shit. Oh my god, I love it. But yeah, have you had food poisoning before? I have.

SPEAKER_01 39:45

Well, that one time I mentioned with my my dad's soup. Your dad tried to kill you. Yeah. I've had a bad clam, have suffered from migraines my whole life, and what it did, it gave me one of the worst migraines I've ever had. I got norovirus on set once, and I wasn't the only one. Like, I think it was from gosh, we had a really long shoot day. It must have been an 18-hour day. And at lunch, they served us food, and the norovirus can get you within a couple hours. And by the end of the day, I was like, I have to go home. I have to go home now. And I think the noravirus really only sticks with you for 36, 48 hours. But man, it was just coming out of every end hole that I had. It's awful. It was awful. And then oh, and then I remember one time in LA, uh, Hillary and I had ordered Thai food, and they had one of those baby carrots in whatever dish we ordered. And I remember eating it and asking her, I was like, hey, did your carrot or the baby corn? Um baby corn, yeah. The baby corn. And I was like, Did like, did your baby corn taste weird? She's like, I didn't have one. And I was like, I think it tasted a little funny. Sure enough, I was sick for about seven days. Um whoa, that's long. It was awful. I was so, so violently ill. Did you? But I remember, no, I didn't. My boyfriend came over and he just probably should have. Um, but he came over and he was such a great guy, all soups and Gatorade and all that sort of stuff. But yeah, it was a week before I was leaving to go to Costa Rica for Christmas. So I had dropped like 10 pounds in that week. And I was like, Oh my God, I look good. Yeah. So at the end of the day, oh yeah, silver lining.

SPEAKER_00 41:36

Exactly right. God. But yeah, like it so you are someone who has migraines. I've always been fascinated. And that was the thing I'd always be like, I can I'm having the aura. I can tell I'm about to have a migraine. I have to get in my car and drive home right now. Oh, see, I've never had the aura migraines. Mine were violent.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

Neither have I. I just know that that happens. So I use it as because I'm a I can feel it coming on, and then I start to get really nauseous and I will be vomiting for a good 12 hours. I will also then hit the toilet for 12 hours, whatever it is in my body. Gone. And my head is it's awful. I remember so many times as a little kid, like screaming in the middle of the night. My mom or my sister would come into my room with the barf bucket and cold towels, and I would be crying hysterically. My head was just hurting, hurting, hurting so bad. And they would sit with me all night long, all night long. These would go on for eight to ten to twelve hours, and I was just so, so, so sick with the migraine. And then like I'd have to call out of school the next day because, you know, for sure. Finally, they were able to get me to sleep around like four or five a.m. And then I was, yeah, it was they were Poor baby Emmelry. I know. But it was my migraines were related to food, but I finally over the years figured out what foods were making me sick. So yellow cheeses. Yeah, so food coloring, yellow number five is one of my big triggers. So I don't eat yellow cheese that's has dye in it. Milk chocolate, it's the milk solids in chocolate that I can't eat. I can eat dark chocolate because it doesn't have the milk solids. Chardonnay, for some reason, always makes me violently give me a horrible migraine. Um sulfates and sulfites. So, like summer sausages, you know, that kind of sausage and meat, I can't eat that. Uh there's a few other things, but those are the main ones. Damn. It's crap food, basically.

SPEAKER_00 43:31

Yeah. Fucking migraines. I'm I don't know how. I mean, I'm grateful I've never had them. And yeah, they're awful. All my bosses of almost every job I've ever had have been like, what? You constantly had migraines. And I'm like, no, I didn't. Um, so yeah. All right. Anything else on your list? Nope. That that concludes my my poison, but I tell you, it was really fun, especially the animal part. I really wanted the platypus to rank in there somewhere because they have the poison in their little Flipping, but it didn't. Yeah, they have some sort of my list. So they're such a fascinating creature. So like what? It's like totally sci-fi, like a floody duck.

SPEAKER_01 44:17

Well, and they're also in the mammal family because they carry the babies in a papoose. But they lay eggs, which mammals don't do. But then they have mammary glands, which makes us mammals, and then they but like in their armpits or something, and that's how they feed their they are fascinating.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

We need to have a platypus on the show.

SPEAKER_01 44:40

Ooh, a real live one. Yeah. Ooh, we should go to a platypus farm or a sanctuary. Not a farm, but a sanctuary. I was gonna say, I was like, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_00 44:50

No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. The duck farm. Oh, gosh. I know. I was like, what? But I really uh gosh. Yeah, platypus next up. But I could just I could just talk about animals forever. I love them so much. Animals are murderers. Give it all.

SPEAKER_01 45:12

Well, we should do an episode on which animals are murderers. Well, duh. Intentionally killing their stockings, which we've already covered.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

Yeah. I just was fun. Key takeaway if you see an animal that's brightly colored, don't fuck with it. Well, just don't fuck with animals in general. Just leave them alone. Enjoy to witness. Witness them, but don't. Yeah. Anyhow. This has been a pleasure. It has. Thank you for all of our viewers and listeners out in the world. Absolutely. If you'd like to contact us, reach out to us on any of the platforms that we're on Facebook. We're on, are we on Facebook? We're we're not on Facebook, actually. We're on I'm doing that email of that though.

SPEAKER_01 45:59

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SPEAKER_00 46:04

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SPEAKER_01 46:19

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SPEAKER_00 46:45

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_01 46:46

Here so like everywhere but the United States.

SPEAKER_00 46:49

Which is fine by me. Fine by me. I get why so many celebrities would just like get big in Germany. And like, I like that. Oh, can we be the new to like David Hasselhoff? Exactly. I love Denmark. Copenhagen, Canada. Kind, smart, less violent. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 47:10

I would love to be huge in Copenhagen and we could go there on a tour and do this live.

SPEAKER_00 47:15

All right. We're gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do some research on Copenhagen. I want to know more and everything about it. All right. I'll hit them hard. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:22

Yeah. Uh like we did the Canada episode, you can do one on Copenhagen. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 47:26

Absolutely. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

Well, thank you, everyone. Thank you, Courtney. This was so much fun today. Yes. Such thought provoking. Come back. I know. I know. And until we talk to you next time, uh, take care.

SPEAKER_00 47:39

Yes, please take care of yourself. Be kind.

SPEAKER_01 47:41

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SPEAKER_00 47:42

Bye.

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